Monday, December 29, 2008
12/30: SWM and MEPJA Gaza Protests
From Stop the War Machine:
Protest the massacre in Gaza
Noon-2 PM, Tuesday, December 30, 2008
New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science
1801 Mountain Rd, NW (in Old Town), Albuquerque, NM
We call for this demonstration on Tuesday as part of a national day of Action (see here) for peace and solidarity with the brave people of Palestine who are being massacred with weapons manufactured in large part in the U.S.A., and New Mexico. To that end we call for the city of Albuquerque and New Mexico to cut all ties with war profiteers like Lockheed Martin. For more information contact Stop the War Machine at 505-401-4808 or firstname.lastname@example.org.
From Middle East Peace and Justice Alliance: Americans must speak out now so the world knows we stand with international law and human rights. On Tuesday, 12/30, there will be a candlelight vigil and press conference at the Federal Court Bldg. on Lomas between 3rd and 4th Streets in Albuquerque at 5:00 PM. Arrive around 4:45 PM. Bring candles. Wear warm clothes and anything that demonstrates solidarity with Palestinians. Please bring a poem you’d like to share and read. Pass this message on to all who might lend their support.
Albuquerque joins other cities in solidarity condemning Israel’s bombing of Gaza. We call upon the Israeli government to halt air strikes and cancel the pending invasion! We call upon the U.S. government to withhold all aid, civilian and military, to Israel ($30 billion has been promised over 10 years) while Israel continues the bombing and siege on Palestine campaign!
I'm curious - why aren't you also protesting how Hamas launches hundreds of deadly missiles with no other purpose than to kill innocent Israeli civilians, sponsored by Iran? Why aren't you calling on the Iranians to stop all military aid and assistance (as well as their own nuclear weapon program)?
Posted by: Don Quixote | Dec 29, 2008 4:01:21 PM
In the past SEVEN YEARS only 17 Israelis have been killed by the small rockets coming in. Compare that with the death and destruction of civilians, children, women being caused by the big aerial bombing attacks by Israel.
Even the Israeli newspaper Haaretz sees this as a war crime.
Click on my name to read the article
Posted by: A Reader | Dec 29, 2008 5:23:06 PM
This is like saying it is shameful to defend yourself with a gun when you are attacked by a maniac with a knife.
Hamas has the desire to kill every living Jew in Israel. Just because they lack the weapon power does not make them saints.
Posted by: Another Reader | Dec 29, 2008 6:53:04 PM
It is shameful to attack civilians thru mass aerial bombardment on residential and downtown areas, university campuses and refugee camps. In fact it is a war crime. This is why thousands of people are protesting the Israeli government and military across the US and around the world.
Thanks for providing info on this demonstration! --A tourist visiting New Mexico during this holiday season
Posted by: in new mexico | Dec 29, 2008 11:53:11 PM
This insistent idea that all of Palestine desires the extinction of Israel is pure propaganda meant to perpetuate hostilities. This statement is a catch-22. The more that it is said, the more excuse for persecution of Palestinians. The more persecuted the Palestinians, the more it becomes true. So, LIBERALS, cut it out!
This conflict is more than about mere physical territory. It is about Israel's failure to assimilate with the neighbors in true apartheid fashion. Assimilation is painful but necessary for peace, stability and long term security of integrating populations. For example, the Native Americans that assimilated have fared better in this country.
True that assimilation is painful and requires a suspension of pride, but in the long term, the children will benefit.
Posted by: qofdisks | Dec 30, 2008 10:36:16 AM
"mass aerial bombardment"
What video have you been viewing? I've seen some pretty good targeting of missile launch sites done by the Israelis, in the first place, and in the second, how much more indiscriminate is just launching lethal missiles in the direction of Israel from the Gaza, HOPING to kill as many innocent men, women and children as possible?
Posted by: Don Quixote | Dec 30, 2008 12:18:15 PM
You are talking about small, unsophisticated rockets launched by people who are being blockaded into starvation, lack of medical supplies and more compared with hundreds of high tech air strikes by the Israeli military that have killed numerous civilians including women and children. They have hit civilian targets on purpose. They are also testing out our bunker buster bombs for our corporate military business.
No matter what you think the bombardment is senseless. It will only make things worse and it plays into the hands of Hamas to show they are martyrs. This is stupid foreign policy of the worst sort and it is being done to prop up the extremist candidates in Israel. Go read some Israeli newspapers.
Posted by: RTK | Dec 30, 2008 12:41:24 PM
I would like to point out that bunker buster munitions are extremely toxic and radioactive contaminating the site permanently. This in the middle of densely populated areas. It is called salting the earth is surely a moral violation.
Posted by: qofdisks | Dec 30, 2008 1:47:56 PM
"bunker buster munitions are extremely toxic and radioactive"
Yeah, right. Sure. Whatever.
Posted by: Don Quixote | Dec 30, 2008 2:37:10 PM
"small, unsophisticated rockets"
Big enough to kill people. And, since you obviously didn't notice, when they weren't launching missiles, Israel wasn't dropping bombs. So if you want to stop the Israeli bombs, it's simple. Stop shooting missiles.
Posted by: Don Quixote | Dec 30, 2008 2:38:45 PM
You make no effort to hold Hamas accountable for its own actions. Hamas was elected as a government and has launched thousands of rockets and mortars at another nation. Yet you only condemn Israel. Hamas was warned by Abbas to keep the cease fire going, it was warned by Egypt and other non-terrorist states. But, Hamas refused to do so and in doing so put its own population at risk. Until Hamas is held accountable by its enablers like you there will be no peace in the middle east.
Posted by: Liberal but not naive | Dec 30, 2008 3:18:25 PM
Yeah, but they're just "small, unsophisticated rockets." Right. Sure. Uh huh. So the Israelis should just ignore them. Sure. Right. Uh huh.
Posted by: Don Quixote | Dec 30, 2008 3:35:58 PM
I think if I were being herded off my land by illegal settlers into a thickly populated strip of land and literally starved, denied proper food, water, medical supplies and sewage facilities, and being treated generally like an animal by people who should know that genocide is evil, I might fight back with what was available. Who wouldn't?
Israel has refused to depopulate the illegal settlements despite their treaty promises. They are operating illegally and without morality. This situation has gone on forever because the Israeli government consistently defies international law and treaties. They possess illegal nuclear weapons. They insist they own land they have no right to and have for many decades treated Palestinians like cattle and worse. This is something to support and encourage?
There are many Israeli citizens who agree with me but you will never hear their opinions here at least not in corporate controlled media.
Don Qixote-it helps to cite where you are getting your information. There are many biased sources and I'm sure you visit many of them looking for excuses for inexcusable behavior. Stupid behavior.
Enlightened Israelis and others know you only encourage Hamas by this crazy response. If you want to hit at Hamas, this is exactly the opposite way to do it.
Posted by: Pro Israeli Not Pro Israeli Government | Dec 30, 2008 4:16:50 PM
I urge everyone to read this piece by a Palestinian journalist who explains how the horrible bombings by Israel will most likely help Hamas instead of hurting it:
Posted by: my turn | Dec 30, 2008 4:30:53 PM
God, what a bunch of idiots we have here trying to get us to take the side of Hamas.......never mind that any member of that organization would rather be cutting off the heads of live Americans than shooting missiles at Israel. Supporting them....now THAT is "stupid behavior."
Posted by: Wanderlust | Jan 1, 2009 6:46:47 PM
Some of the "idiots" you are complaining about are well respected Israeli journalists who write for Israeli newspapers. Nobody is "supporting" Hamas. The complaints are about war crimes, over-reactions and tactics that will make things worse, not better, by the Israeli government.
The goal it is find a solution. What is going on now will make that next to impossible. The U.S. govt. needs to step in and impose conditions on both sides via serious negotiations and no nonsense diplomacy so this horror can end. The world is tired to seeing this eye for an eye tragedy eternally being re-ignited by BOTH sides.
Posted by: D. David | Jan 1, 2009 9:41:37 PM